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Post by moogle on Jul 26, 2007 15:41:01 GMT -5
Harry is a nice boy. Much too nice to be playing with those types of nasty death things...(can you sense the sarcasm)
Mudblood doesn't bother me personally, but if you think about it in what it is implying, it is as bad as calling a dark skinned person something nasty. It's just racism isn't it, and not very nice.
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Post by Veritaserum on Jul 26, 2007 15:47:17 GMT -5
You know my opinions on Harry and his hero-complex...
I suppose, but I'm not talking about the colour of their skin. Skin colour does not affect wizarding ability.
Besides, doesn't "Mudblood" taste nice when you say it or is that just me?
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Post by moogle on Jul 26, 2007 15:49:46 GMT -5
Lol, I think it might just be you.
I'm not saying it has anything to do with skin colour, but it is similar in the fact that it is being used to describe someone who doesn't have magical parentage. Thus, because they are different they are called names.
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Post by writingchik on Jul 26, 2007 16:09:54 GMT -5
I didn't really like the book. It reminded me of a well written fanfic to be honest. I mean, there was the Snape/Lily ship, Harry was a Horcrux, Dudley was nice to Harry, Harry came back to life, Harry married Ginny, Ron married Hermione. To be completely honest I was disappointed with this book, I think if she waited another year to put out the book (and spent that year going over the book, tweaking parts, and making it better in general) it would have been better. I blame the movies for it though. If they had waited to start the movie until after the seventh book she wouldn't have been rushed. (while yes, we wouldn't have the cast we have now, the book would be better. And I pick book over movie any day)
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Post by moogle on Jul 26, 2007 16:17:52 GMT -5
I think the movies might have been better too actually. Some of them have been pretty crap, and the actors are not even that good.
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Post by Dominus Tenebrarum Sum on Jul 26, 2007 16:30:25 GMT -5
I agree with the movies! I loved the first two... but after all that happened after the second movie, I've been really disappointed in them. I hate to say it, but the first two where the best ones. If they mess up the sixth book like they messed up the third, I'm not going to see the seventh one. -scowls-
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Post by writ3rgirl on Jul 26, 2007 17:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm way too much a part of the "Order of Light." The idea of calling someone a Mudblood just sounds so cruel. You're saying their blood is dirty and, like moogle said, it's racism. It's alright to say it because those people don't really exist, but if they did, and you were a pure-blood wizard, would you really call Muggle-borns "Mudbloods"? That's like calling gays "fags" or something... (did you know they were called that 'cause in the middle ages people tied up gay people and set them on fire, like faggots of wood? *shudder. Ok, moving on...)
writingchik: I didn't see anything wrong with the way the book turned out. I mean, most people guessed a lot of the secrets, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't done well. Remember, JK had planned out a good bit of the last book before she'd even written the others, so it wasn't like she stole ideas from the fans or anything. That's the way she'd always planned things to come out.
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Post by Dominus Tenebrarum Sum on Jul 26, 2007 18:46:42 GMT -5
-laughs- I have a safe bet on how Godric and Salazar ended up being enemies, just because of this conversation.
On the subject of Mudbloods and being racist: I must admit that I am a bit racist against those lazy Mexicans. The ones that don't do anything but complain about how the US government is awful, even though they came here illegally and are transporting illegal drugs across the boarder, forming gangs and causing the general chaos? Yes, I absolutely despise them and those ones that refuse to learn English and contribute to the American Economy and Culture, rather than steal from them. The ones that only know the general English words to ask what kind of hamburger you want tick me off even more! It infuriates me, really! -seethes- So, yes, I am a bit racist, but for good reason. I'm not saying that all of them are that way. I have a very good friend who is Mexican, but she knows English, is going to college, hard working, and very polite. If she can do that and she's only 19, why can't those others do the same? -growls, scowling-
-clears throat- Anyway, enough of that.... I found the Dark Lord far more egotistical in this book than the others. Most likely because he has good reason to be, seeing how he's taken hold of the Ministry and turned all of them against his sworn enemy, Harry Potter. I like the way he addresses himself in the third person as well. Almost like it's not really him, but a different part of himself? Hmn, something else to think over.
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Post by writ3rgirl on Jul 26, 2007 19:57:27 GMT -5
Well, that just means that you hate lazy people who take advantage of others. So do I, but that's not being racist. A lot of Mexicans are that way, but you don't see them all as bad people 'cause you're friends with one. So it's their behavior that makes you hate them, not the fact that they were born Mexican. *shrug*
lol, I liked Voldie too. He really was a great villian. I loved how, during the final face-off, Harry asked Voldemort to feel remorse for what he'd done, and that just completely confused him. Like he couldn't understand the concept of remorse in the least.
Oh! And LOVED how Harry told Voldemort that Snape was really against him. It was like- "haha, even your most trusted servant was really against you and you didn't notice!" yay. Snape rocks. ^_^
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Post by Dominus Tenebrarum Sum on Jul 26, 2007 20:19:35 GMT -5
Eh, yes, but no.... Being the Dark Lord on this forum, I must have to say that I'm rather glad that Severus helped as much as he did, although I am a bit disappointed in his outcome in the end. I must say that his is my favorite part of the book, because it was one of the many parts that really gave me some inspiration and it was one of the ironic parts of the book as well. I love the wording, and I can't put it in the quotes yet, since it'd be spoilers: "But before you try to kill me, I'd advise you to think about what you've done.... Think, and try for some remorse, Riddle...."
"What is this?"
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"It's your one last chance," said Harry, "it's all you've got left.... I've seen what you'll be otherwise.... Be a man... try... Try for some remorse..."
"You dare --?" said Voldemort again.
"Yes, I dare," said Harry, "because Dumbledore's last plan hasn't backfired on me at all. It's backfired on you, Riddle."
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Post by writ3rgirl on Jul 26, 2007 20:30:09 GMT -5
lol, just 'cause you're our official "Dark Lord" doesn't mean you've got to act like one all the time. (Of course, if you were really acting like Voldemort you probably would have killed half of us by now, ) Exactly, that part was amazing.
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Post by Dominus Tenebrarum Sum on Jul 26, 2007 20:42:05 GMT -5
-quirks an eyebrow- Much of what I do is as myself. I personally take great pride in being the Dark Lord, even if it is just a forum. You just do not like the Dark because you are with the Light.... But let us not argue about sides and such.
Before this goes off topic again, (considering how I generally go off on some detail) I would like to ask what you all thought about the Deathly Hallows -- the items themselves and the Legend behind it as well as the facts.
I found them fascinating and felt as if I could not tear my eyes off of the pages, just as Harry was raptured by the thought of the existence of such extraordinary items, after he got over the fact that they were real, not just a part of some legend and that he was a part of it. Once he got to the part where he realized that he was not meant to own the Elder Wand, he seemed to droop, I suppose. His entire character was not filled with the same sort of energy until he was casting the Unforgivable Curses in Gringotts and then, later, facing against Voldemort himself at the end of the book.
Then, in the Epilogue, it seems that he has almost forgotten all about them.
On another note, I really do hope that Al ended up in Slytherin... which would make an interesting fan fiction to read and write.
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Post by writ3rgirl on Jul 26, 2007 20:57:18 GMT -5
*shrug* Didn't mean to offend you if I did. You just said that "being the Dark Lord on this forum, I must have to say..." giving me the impression that you were saying something you thought you should, rather than what was necessarily your own opinion. And I never said I didn't like the Dark Side- it's interesting in its own way. Though, obviously, I do prefer the Light.
But, like you said, back on track:
While I did like the Deathly Hallows, I wish there had been some allusion to them in an earlier book. It just seemed a bit random that, out of nowhere, a trio of items that had the power to "conquer death" suddenly appeared to aid Harry in the final hour. I don't know... JK set up most things in earlier books- such as the diadem- subtly, so I wish they had been offhandedly mentioned somewhere as well.
Beyond that, though, I liked the idea of how these powerful items were hidden in a simple fairy tale. And I was glad that Harry gave up the Elder Wand, as well as the ring, which he had innitially wanted most of all. It wouldn't have been right for our hero to end up holding onto items with the potential for such dark power
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Post by moogle on Jul 26, 2007 20:59:53 GMT -5
I liked the concept of the Deathly Hallows. I'm sure we have a fairy tale that is similar to the one that she described for that.
As for all this stuff about it sounding like a fanfic, well it is pretty obvious why that happened, because the first book came out in the late 90's and now that it is 2007, a lot of the ideas were bound to have been written quite a few times before the seventh book came out.
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Post by Dominus Tenebrarum Sum on Jul 26, 2007 21:08:22 GMT -5
Well, I think that his invisibility cloak being saved from the destuction at Lily and James' home in Godric's Hollow was very signifigant, meaning that Dumbledore had had it when Lord Voldemort attacked them on All Hallow's Eve Night. I think that is was planned, she just didn't find a place perfect for putting in more hints than just that, just as she edited out a great number of oddball characters and other character interactions that would have explained people like Dean Thomas, Draco Malfoy, and Theodore Nott a little better than what was put in the final edition of the books. I find it a little sad that she could not put all that she wanted to in the books in the places that she wanted to. Such as, the two Ministers (Magic and Muggle) talking together? She meant to put that in since the first book. There where a number of scenes that just didn't make it. Perhaps, some of the scenes, she didn't want to tell us anything about until the release of this newest book? Perhaps she did try to leave a vast number of hints, but it seemed completely random where she tried to put it.
That's my theory, at least.
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